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		<title>By: An Ethical Argument for Transparency in Journalism &#171; The Levisa Lazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Ethical Argument for Transparency in Journalism &#171; The Levisa Lazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In a recent post on my website I examined an ethical argument for transparency. I will continue this internal dialogue with the caveat that I am not a journalism academic. I do not prescribe my beliefs to anyone but myself. This is a disgustingly theoretical post (I promise the next one will be practical up the wahzoo). I should also note the inspiration behind these two posts was a discussion at FOO Camp: Philosophy and Technology - Tim O&#8217;Reilly and Damon Horowitz. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: An Ethical Argument for Transparency &#8211; Part II &#171; DigiDave</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Ethical Argument for Transparency &#8211; Part II &#171; DigiDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] RSS Feed         Date: July 22nd, 2010 Cate: Journalism Theory/Analysis, Uncategorized Tags: citizen journalism, Citizen media, Ethics, journalism, Journalism ethics and standards, philosophy&#160;    &#171; The Ethical Argument for Transparency in Journalism &#8211; Part I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] RSS Feed         Date: July 22nd, 2010 Cate: Journalism Theory/Analysis, Uncategorized Tags: citizen journalism, Citizen media, Ethics, journalism, Journalism ethics and standards, philosophy&nbsp;    &laquo; The Ethical Argument for Transparency in Journalism &#8211; Part I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GAToomey</title>
		<link>http://blog.digidave.org/2010/07/the-ethical-argument-for-transparency-in-journalism-part-i/comment-page-1#comment-66572</link>
		<dc:creator>GAToomey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-66562&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@ Digidave&lt;/a&gt; 

Thank you for your response!
You know, I did find you and this blog through the Spot.us website but I went back again and saw that there are many more features than I’d realized at first. I didn’t realize that people could suggest stories and other people could fund them – what a great twist, a story looking for an author!
I am really excited by your concept. 
The one ‘piece of the puzzle’ that’s still missing for me, looking at the options on Spot.us, is to figure out first which stories have the most potential (and which line up with my own interests) and second WHO is qualified to write the story. I would be more willing to pony up $ if I could examine a set of resumes online and pay toward the person I felt would be most qualified to write about a complex issue requiring a lot of deep background and, say, understanding of a particular industry. For example, I saw an impassioned reader pitch saying ‘someone NEEDS to write about this one particular aspect of the mortgage crisis’ – but it’s hard as a layman to sort out if this person really has something or not. I almost feel like there’s another level of vetting needed – sort of like the way that Spot.us. already will recommend certain stories, which is nice, but I want to know WHO are you, what are your qualifications, what stories do you think ‘have legs’ etc etc. 
Please don’t take this as a negative post because honestly this project is mind-blowingly cool and I am thrilled by the success you’ve had so far! The most I can contribute to it is honesty :-)  And some $$ too once I get a few extra to jingle in my pocket --  !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-66562" rel="nofollow">@ Digidave</a> </p>
<p>Thank you for your response!<br />
You know, I did find you and this blog through the Spot.us website but I went back again and saw that there are many more features than I’d realized at first. I didn’t realize that people could suggest stories and other people could fund them – what a great twist, a story looking for an author!<br />
I am really excited by your concept.<br />
The one ‘piece of the puzzle’ that’s still missing for me, looking at the options on Spot.us, is to figure out first which stories have the most potential (and which line up with my own interests) and second WHO is qualified to write the story. I would be more willing to pony up $ if I could examine a set of resumes online and pay toward the person I felt would be most qualified to write about a complex issue requiring a lot of deep background and, say, understanding of a particular industry. For example, I saw an impassioned reader pitch saying ‘someone NEEDS to write about this one particular aspect of the mortgage crisis’ – but it’s hard as a layman to sort out if this person really has something or not. I almost feel like there’s another level of vetting needed – sort of like the way that Spot.us. already will recommend certain stories, which is nice, but I want to know WHO are you, what are your qualifications, what stories do you think ‘have legs’ etc etc.<br />
Please don’t take this as a negative post because honestly this project is mind-blowingly cool and I am thrilled by the success you’ve had so far! The most I can contribute to it is honesty <img src='http://blog.digidave.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   And some $$ too once I get a few extra to jingle in my pocket &#8212;  !</p>
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		<title>By: Digidave</title>
		<link>http://blog.digidave.org/2010/07/the-ethical-argument-for-transparency-in-journalism-part-i/comment-page-1#comment-66562</link>
		<dc:creator>Digidave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GAToomy

Two things.

1. In terms of talking about journalism - I am usually talking about the practice of journalism - not the profession. In fact, that&#039;s something I discuss all the time. There is the industry of journalism and there is the practice of journalism and those are two different things. 

In terms of the practice of journalism - I think we can argue that it has a &quot;goal&quot; - but you need to think of this not as a human oriented goal or what we might think of as a goal at all. I think journalisms goal is very related to the goal of education (again, talking about the practice, not the industry).

As for your second comment and idea. Have you heard of www.spot.us. 

If not - please check it out and let me know what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GAToomy</p>
<p>Two things.</p>
<p>1. In terms of talking about journalism &#8211; I am usually talking about the practice of journalism &#8211; not the profession. In fact, that&#8217;s something I discuss all the time. There is the industry of journalism and there is the practice of journalism and those are two different things. </p>
<p>In terms of the practice of journalism &#8211; I think we can argue that it has a &#8220;goal&#8221; &#8211; but you need to think of this not as a human oriented goal or what we might think of as a goal at all. I think journalisms goal is very related to the goal of education (again, talking about the practice, not the industry).</p>
<p>As for your second comment and idea. Have you heard of <a href="http://www.spot.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.spot.us</a>. </p>
<p>If not &#8211; please check it out and let me know what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: GAToomey</title>
		<link>http://blog.digidave.org/2010/07/the-ethical-argument-for-transparency-in-journalism-part-i/comment-page-1#comment-66560</link>
		<dc:creator>GAToomey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah crud, that didn&#039;t last long. What if there was a way for the public to identify these big stories, the really big expensive beats (War coverage etc) and vote money to pay the person we most would trust to give us honest and thorough coverage to go there and cover it? It would be like getting an editorial assignment with a paycheck attached! 

And now I really WILL stop cluttering up your thread, I promise... !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah crud, that didn&#8217;t last long. What if there was a way for the public to identify these big stories, the really big expensive beats (War coverage etc) and vote money to pay the person we most would trust to give us honest and thorough coverage to go there and cover it? It would be like getting an editorial assignment with a paycheck attached! </p>
<p>And now I really WILL stop cluttering up your thread, I promise&#8230; !!!</p>
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		<title>By: GAToomey</title>
		<link>http://blog.digidave.org/2010/07/the-ethical-argument-for-transparency-in-journalism-part-i/comment-page-1#comment-66559</link>
		<dc:creator>GAToomey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awwww! :-)

Thanks, we love you too, DigiDave. 

Not to get try and deconstruct this all too much -- I hope I&#039;m not turning into a PITA

BUT ... when you frame things in terms of &#039;the goals of journalism&#039; -- are you thinking in terms of what the industry wants, or what journalists want, or some mixture of both? 

If you accept that people are now ethically responsible to participate in journalism -- or even if you want to use that as a working argument -- then maybe your initial question needs to be re-vamped. Journalism is an abstract concept -- it&#039;s a practice, an industry, an ideal. Can it have goals? (Do you get where I&#039;m going with this?)  The people using journalistic tools and the consumers of news have goals. Asking what are the goals of journalism to me invokes the fear of the current industry of becoming obsolete, bankrupt, irrelevant. 

What goals do people have when they write or communicate, personally or professionally?
What goals do people have who read and follow any type of news? 
Is there some larger framework that we all should be tied into? What do all these people have in common? 

And now I&#039;ll stop bothering you ... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awwww! <img src='http://blog.digidave.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks, we love you too, DigiDave. </p>
<p>Not to get try and deconstruct this all too much &#8212; I hope I&#8217;m not turning into a PITA</p>
<p>BUT &#8230; when you frame things in terms of &#8216;the goals of journalism&#8217; &#8212; are you thinking in terms of what the industry wants, or what journalists want, or some mixture of both? </p>
<p>If you accept that people are now ethically responsible to participate in journalism &#8212; or even if you want to use that as a working argument &#8212; then maybe your initial question needs to be re-vamped. Journalism is an abstract concept &#8212; it&#8217;s a practice, an industry, an ideal. Can it have goals? (Do you get where I&#8217;m going with this?)  The people using journalistic tools and the consumers of news have goals. Asking what are the goals of journalism to me invokes the fear of the current industry of becoming obsolete, bankrupt, irrelevant. </p>
<p>What goals do people have when they write or communicate, personally or professionally?<br />
What goals do people have who read and follow any type of news?<br />
Is there some larger framework that we all should be tied into? What do all these people have in common? </p>
<p>And now I&#8217;ll stop bothering you &#8230; <img src='http://blog.digidave.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Digidave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digidave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GAToomy - awesome comments. I will digest this. You are right - when I say &quot;participation&quot; I mean that in a broad sense (not just participating in how the journalists want it).

The argument I want to explore is related - but not tied to democracy but journalism itself. I want to stop and think: Is there a final goal (in philosophy called a telos) of journalism is to get people to engage with it.

I hope to write about this more soon. 

Until then - I love you all ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GAToomy &#8211; awesome comments. I will digest this. You are right &#8211; when I say &#8220;participation&#8221; I mean that in a broad sense (not just participating in how the journalists want it).</p>
<p>The argument I want to explore is related &#8211; but not tied to democracy but journalism itself. I want to stop and think: Is there a final goal (in philosophy called a telos) of journalism is to get people to engage with it.</p>
<p>I hope to write about this more soon. </p>
<p>Until then &#8211; I love you all <img src='http://blog.digidave.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GAToomey</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAToomey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the ethical argument for participation in journalism as I see it? -- This is just a swipe at it, from someone on the far &#039;Am&#039; side of the Pro-Am equation :-)
First, when you say &#039;participation in journalism&#039; -- I am taking it to mean more than simply &#039;be available for an interview&#039; or &#039;go on record with your statement.&#039;
Participation in its broadest sense to me would mean: 
--writing or otherwise expressing your observations, experiences, insights in a public forum
--contributing financially or in-kind toward journalistic or information-sharing endeavors
--having a sense of the value of staying informed and what that means to you personally
The ethical argument for each person to engage with (&quot;participate in&quot;) journalism is, to me, akin to voting. People want to connect and contribute to their society in a real and honest way (if people didn&#039;t care there wouldn&#039;t be so much bitterness and disillusionment about politics). In the US, the historical role of journalism has been to enable democracy by keeping citizens informed. The news came all packaged in the magazine or paper and went from point A and went to point B. Now things are shifting; people are going more &#039;a la carte&#039; in sourcing their news, and playing a type of role already by transmitting it to each other online. We send a link or post it on FB, and make a few comments, maybe debate a couple points – that’s a form of active engagement.  It’s also very American; don’t we also enjoy our spirituality a la carte? 
We need a critical mass of engaged people to create a viable new model to finance the big-ticket items… the tough cases, the war coverage, the investigative journalism… that are always going to be jobs for the pros. And these are things that we really need to know, there’s no doubt about it. I think people are in some ways already more engaged than they were before. Connection, learning, sharing, now are happening in more collaborative and organic ways because of the internet -- but we&#039;re still like the blind men in the room trying to describe the elephant. No one person can see the whole picture because there&#039;s just too much to see.  Working in collaboration is probably the only way we’re going to get things in the proper perspective – because the perspective is going to be a compound one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the ethical argument for participation in journalism as I see it? &#8212; This is just a swipe at it, from someone on the far &#8216;Am&#8217; side of the Pro-Am equation <img src='http://blog.digidave.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
First, when you say &#8216;participation in journalism&#8217; &#8212; I am taking it to mean more than simply &#8216;be available for an interview&#8217; or &#8216;go on record with your statement.&#8217;<br />
Participation in its broadest sense to me would mean:<br />
&#8211;writing or otherwise expressing your observations, experiences, insights in a public forum<br />
&#8211;contributing financially or in-kind toward journalistic or information-sharing endeavors<br />
&#8211;having a sense of the value of staying informed and what that means to you personally<br />
The ethical argument for each person to engage with (&#8220;participate in&#8221;) journalism is, to me, akin to voting. People want to connect and contribute to their society in a real and honest way (if people didn&#8217;t care there wouldn&#8217;t be so much bitterness and disillusionment about politics). In the US, the historical role of journalism has been to enable democracy by keeping citizens informed. The news came all packaged in the magazine or paper and went from point A and went to point B. Now things are shifting; people are going more &#8216;a la carte&#8217; in sourcing their news, and playing a type of role already by transmitting it to each other online. We send a link or post it on FB, and make a few comments, maybe debate a couple points – that’s a form of active engagement.  It’s also very American; don’t we also enjoy our spirituality a la carte?<br />
We need a critical mass of engaged people to create a viable new model to finance the big-ticket items… the tough cases, the war coverage, the investigative journalism… that are always going to be jobs for the pros. And these are things that we really need to know, there’s no doubt about it. I think people are in some ways already more engaged than they were before. Connection, learning, sharing, now are happening in more collaborative and organic ways because of the internet &#8212; but we&#8217;re still like the blind men in the room trying to describe the elephant. No one person can see the whole picture because there&#8217;s just too much to see.  Working in collaboration is probably the only way we’re going to get things in the proper perspective – because the perspective is going to be a compound one.</p>
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		<title>By: For the record: July 16th &#124; Chipcinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>For the record: July 16th &#124; Chipcinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bryan Murley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Murley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-66540&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@ David Cohn&lt;/a&gt; 
Okay, I think I see your point more now. You are saying that people assume the ethical argument for participation prima facie, correct? 

Interesting. I assume some ethical arguments for participation could be found in Mill&#039;s &quot;On Liberty.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-66540" rel="nofollow">@ David Cohn</a><br />
Okay, I think I see your point more now. You are saying that people assume the ethical argument for participation prima facie, correct? </p>
<p>Interesting. I assume some ethical arguments for participation could be found in Mill&#8217;s &#8220;On Liberty.&#8221;</p>
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